What Iraq war vets say, what Iraqis say

We seemed to have stepped into a debate with Bush apologist over at Samurai Frog's blog.

Master Frog had tossed up a well written, as usual, post about Cindy Sheehan stepping down as the face of the anti war movement and some dullard who bought all the lies the Bush junta sold to the corporate media jumped in on the comments section and proceeded to attack Ms. Sheehan. He then went on, after being corrected by Froggy Woggy Doodle's readers, and claimed that the invasion of Iraq was a good thing because it got rid of Saddam and that the warwithoutendAmen needs to continue until all the terrorists in Iraq have been killed

We pointed out something to this intellectual aberrant over there that perhaps needs to be pointed out over here, so here goes:

When you hear people say that it was a good thing that we overthrew Saddam and that the people love us for it, they are wrong. Yes, there is no doubt that Saddam was a "bad person" who killed thousands of people. But we'd like to ask you who is responsible for the hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan now? Who is responsible for the indiscriminate use of depleted uranium weapons that will cause horrific birth defects, poison the ground water, and make land un-farmable forever over in Iraq and Afghanistan? The answer to those questions are of course our Commander in Chief. So we'd say that the question of who killed more Iraqis is pretty much moot at this point. But when you add in all the Afghans killed in the war of terror, Bush is number one with a bullet, if you pardon our pun.

We met a young Iraq war veteran back in the first part of the spring. He went with us to talk to our douchebag Congressman about ending his support for the warwithoutendAmen. The Congressman did not listen, in fact we think it hardened his position, but we did get a chance to speak with an actual person who fought in the war of terror.

We asked the vet how the Iraqis felt about us being there. He told us that they told him that life under Saddam was better than life under the occupation. He said that yes people did fear and hate Saddam, just as some Americans fear and hate our Idiot in Chief. He went on to say that while the vast majority of people did not like Saddam as their leader, he had no affect on their day to day lives. He told us that they said that at least under Saddam they had health care, they had jobs, they had electricity, they had dignity. Under the US occupation they have none of those things, but by god they have democracy.

The President and his pundits claim it was a great thing we did to bring democracy to Iraq and that the world will thank us someday for it. Bull shit. We invaded a country for it's oil and we are making a mockery of human rights and justice by not allowing Iraqis and Afghans to have their country back. We killed thousands of thousands of thousands people and we will kill many more when the depleted uranium dust runs it course.

The Iraqi people want us out, the Iraqi parliment wants us out, the Afghan people want us out.

Why are we still there?


Who wants us to stay?




Him,










them,











and The Dark One.













Who wants us out again?

Everyone who is actually fighting the war and everyone who is living in the countries where the wars are being waged.

Oh, ok, got it. Thanks.